Ep10 - Sadi Jori (Banger & Sammy): Just do it

[00:00:06] Speaker A: Welcome again to another episode of the Rajpool podcast. And today I've got a Jori, which is making massive waves in the music industry worldwide, actually. So I'm going to let them introduce themselves over to you guys. [00:00:26] Speaker B: All right? [00:00:27] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm very good, thanks. [00:00:30] Speaker B: Shall I press? Okay. It says this meeting is being recorded. [00:00:33] Speaker A: Hang report card. That's fine. It's recording anyway. My side. Yeah. Yeah. So introduce yourselves, let the audience know who you are. [00:00:49] Speaker C: Yes. Always study, Jody, and you can take a look at it. [00:00:54] Speaker B: I'm Banga. This is Sami. We're from Birmingham. [00:00:58] Speaker A: Yep. So I'm sure everyone's already heard, especially Sami. You've just come recently. I don't know whether you've. I'll ask a bit about your background as we go, but I've heard about you for a long time. Yeah, I see, I see. Donno. Handsworth. Yeah, I didn't. I don't know if you know that. [00:01:15] Speaker B: Oh, I didn't know that. No, I didn't. [00:01:17] Speaker A: Originally, I was from Handsworth. Yeah. I'm not. I don't live there anymore, but it's a small world, because I think your sister, younger sister, was best friends with my younger sister, believe it or not. Your younger sister named Anita. Yeah. So my sister Rina. My sister's name. So you might have seen him when she was young. Yeah, a long time ago now, but, yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, so there's a bit of a connection. [00:01:48] Speaker B: Anyway. [00:01:49] Speaker A: Yeah. So, guys, I'm gonna. I don't know how you want to do this, guys. So shall we go one by one, or should we talk about Sardijori? Or you want to talk about your background, where you guys are from originally. Actually, let's start with Sami. Sami, you tell us a bit about your background, where you're from, where you've been brought up. Just things like that, basically, yeah. [00:02:11] Speaker C: So I'm born and bred in Hansif, too. [00:02:27] Speaker A: Yes, yes. Carry on, Sami. Sorry. [00:02:30] Speaker C: Yeah, so I didn't. I didn't know, like, I knew of his, like, his song Patanjara and stuff like that, but I didn't really, like, know that, you know, he was from Handsworth or anything like that. What happened was Uncle Jinder from West Brom, he introduced us together to each other, and that's it. We just. We just started to do rehearsals and stuff from there, to be fair. [00:02:55] Speaker A: So what did you do before that? Like, how did you get into music? [00:02:59] Speaker C: I've always. I've always enjoyed, enjoyed it, and I've always liked, liked punjabi music, but I couldn't speak Punjabi at all. I couldn't understand it at all, really. [00:03:10] Speaker A: You would never know that now. [00:03:11] Speaker C: No, that was about, say, six years, six, seven years ago. So I couldn't, I couldn't speak it. But then I started to listen to, you know, Bangladesh, all sorts like different, different styles of music. And I really enjoyed it and I wanted to sing it, so I started singing it, but I wasn't too good at it because my pronunciation and I didn't understand it. And then slowly, slowly I got help basically learning Punjabi and understanding what the songs mean. But I didn't really learn it, as in, I didn't go to a teacher to learn it, I just learned from people. [00:03:50] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:03:51] Speaker C: But I learned through the songs. So I would say, what does this mean? What does this mean? [00:03:56] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the best way. It's funny. That is because when I was young, even though my punjabi background, my mum was born here, my dad was from India, but, you know, and especially with the elders and stuff, but especially if your mom's here, you tend to speak more English. So I'm like you, I learned it from music and then I knew how to read and write Punjabi. So that came in, in hand as well. You know, you learn in the cordura when you're young. [00:04:24] Speaker B: That's one step, one step above us, man. [00:04:27] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's actually really good if you, if you learn that side of it because especially when it comes to pronunciation. And you can see this podcast is all about learning, so I want to learn a few. You can learn a bit of me about music and things. And so I seriously advise it because especially if you just learn the Alphabet, you don't even need to read it. [00:05:01] Speaker C: And just, you know, I've started to learn the Alphabet. I've started to go to a Punjabi class to learn the Alphabet. And I'm sitting with, like, seven year olds and, like, five year olds. [00:05:10] Speaker A: Do you know what? [00:05:11] Speaker C: I don't want to learn it. [00:05:13] Speaker A: You're the epitome of this podcast. That's what it's all about. It doesn't matter where you're. [00:05:19] Speaker C: I don't have anything to be ashamed of if I'm learning. [00:05:21] Speaker A: No, no, that's, that's amazing. Like, especially, I think more people should do that today. Whatever stage you're at, take the time out to learn your language, to learn your heritage, you know, sada, virsa, Marbuli, Saddik. [00:05:34] Speaker C: Now, my friends, my family, my family and my friends that can't speak Punjabi, even they're saying oh, you should take us with you to lesson. And I'm like, no, let me. Let me do my thing. [00:05:43] Speaker A: So you're pioneering something. And I know Bangarji's Punjabi is fantastic. Anyway. [00:05:54] Speaker B: A lot of people think, I know a lot of Punjabi. I don't know a lot of it. But. [00:06:02] Speaker A: Look, even your Thori. Thori. Even that, you said it right. [00:06:08] Speaker B: You know, when we was growing up, and this is a true story as well, my mom and dad. My dad was born. My dad's born and bred here in England and my mom's from India, but she came at a very young age. But they knew the value of Punjabi, so they made a rule at home, which is you're not allowed to speak English. So we had to speak Punjabi in the house. So because we grew up with it and with that, we know who chacha is, Thaya is poor, all this sort of stuff. [00:06:45] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah. And that's. That's very unique about our culture. You know, every relationship's got a name, every relationship, you know, everyone's got. They got a status, you know, and respect. So that's amazing thing about our culture, our background. So, um. Yeah, so, Sammy, um, a bit more so about yourself. So what about singing wise? What. How did you take my training? [00:07:15] Speaker C: I started practicing myself, uh, to be fair, at home. And, uh. And then, like, when I started, I started to go to Apache Indian. [00:07:24] Speaker A: Oh, great guy. Patrick Indian. Fantastic guy. [00:07:28] Speaker C: I started going to Apache, Indiana. He gave me the confidence, to be fair, he gave me that little bit of confidence, that little bit of push, because if you want to do it, then do it properly. So then I started to just, like, I started to be introduced to producers and, you know, musicians and stuff like that. And then. Then they would help me, like, with my key and stuff and. But I haven't really had, like, taught. [00:07:58] Speaker A: Oh, we'll talk about that later. [00:07:59] Speaker B: But. [00:08:00] Speaker A: But you can sing. I've heard you. I've heard you on stage, so. So you can stay on key and stuff, you know. Fantastic. So we'll come back to you, Sami, because it's a bit different. First time I've done a do it one. [00:08:12] Speaker C: That's fine. [00:08:13] Speaker A: No, no, we'll come back. [00:08:15] Speaker B: Sammy, any more questions? [00:08:17] Speaker A: No, we'll come back to it. [00:08:18] Speaker B: We're very open. Yeah, we're relaxed. We're not, like, you know, we're not going to answer this or we're not. [00:08:24] Speaker A: Going to say, no, no, no. [00:08:25] Speaker B: We're from Hansworth. [00:08:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Big up hands with. In the birth of UK bang. So tell me about yourself. And where did you learn singing from, from the start? Have you been singing for? Because I know your background's a bit tall. Tall percussion, isn't it? Background. [00:08:51] Speaker B: A musician first and foremost. It's a long story, dude. [00:08:57] Speaker A: So before we get to singing, tammy, how you learn those first. [00:09:06] Speaker B: Mister Singh Azad group, the tolkie master sega. We went to English, and one of the music teachers came in and said, if anybody wants to learn how to play the tabla, we've got lessons. And you, you get to come out your english class for half an hour. Then he got me, shown me how to play Tolkien straight, said, this is the bowler. And then he said to me, he goes, he goes, make sure you continue, Anna. The macrostaji Choti, can they be Chandamalia? So I went to him, he told me how to play toll fermat recordings. Told the sanghat kitty, mainly man Nasidasan Sadpang rati NATO. And I also learned how to play tumbi. Algojay Ambansari from the light. Dev Rajasalankar. [00:10:22] Speaker A: Legend. Absolutely legend. You'll have to explain to me what that is. I don't know what that is. [00:10:37] Speaker B: Hey, bok pranaya. You know, these things, they're really, really old. And the older Sadijeri senior, and they know these things. And to understand them, you really do have to listen. Then I didn't want to sing my music bosses. But then for menu record label sign, I recorded money spinner. My boys. Yeah, my brothers. And so we was in the studio and I was singing a song, and the record label, real time Records, they saw me and they said, look, we want to sign you up. Blah blah, blah. Two songs, magatika man. So I did my first song, surma with the usta Ginaman. After that they was like, right, we've done yours. You've got to do as now. And you have to sing duet. And because you need to learn how to sing Feruna name salmon vocal training. That's how I came to music. [00:12:13] Speaker A: We've got. I like to go a bit more in depth here, so I'm not even started. So I just want to go back, back a bit. When you learn to, uh, tumbi and al Goje from, um. Um. Uh, yeah. Devrajaslji, what was your first experience? Did you just pick it up? The hot tag? Yeah. See the. You know. [00:12:38] Speaker B: I went to uncle and, uh, I said, I want to learn how to play algoj. And he goes. [00:13:05] Speaker A: So, guys, this is a live demo. We're going to have. If you're listening to on Spotify or apple, he's pulling the algoj, the algoj out. [00:13:20] Speaker B: So I went to the lesson and I can remember it like it was yesterday. Uncle came downstairs on a pajama bay. I see t shirt, banana Pisces, right? And I sat down and he goes, he got my hand like this and he put it on his, on his stomach like this. And he started playing and he prayed for about 15 minutes and he stopped, he goes, what does that even mean? Then he explained, sapatona, kihunda, sapatona. You know, they'll go, Jay, a lot of people when they play, they do this. Osalinda al Boji and the artist. [00:14:28] Speaker A: That's amazing. Absolutely amazing. [00:14:35] Speaker B: I'll probably carry on for about. [00:14:37] Speaker A: Could you do me a favor? On your, on your laptop, there should be somewhere in the top corner, top left hand corner of the zoom screen. It should be a live performance audio and switch it on. Just click it once. [00:14:49] Speaker B: Can you see what's it called? [00:14:53] Speaker A: Live performance audio. If you haven't got it, I'll switch it from mine. [00:15:05] Speaker B: Click on there. Click on that big screen. [00:15:07] Speaker A: Maybe I've sorted it for me. I should be alright because what that does is that when what a zoom does, zoom suppresses all of the sound. So when that's on, it picks up the sound as well. So basically if you're playing an instrument, it knows to pick them up. So I've switched it on from here. It should be all right now. [00:15:26] Speaker B: Sorry. Settings, huh? [00:15:32] Speaker A: Don't worry, don't worry. I think I've done it for me. I could hear it anyway. I could hear it. So, yeah, that was really interesting because I've never played a wind instrument like that. [00:15:44] Speaker B: It's called circular breathing in English. What you do is you use air in your mouth and when you're using the air in your mouth, you breathe in three nose and you keep the. It's like a continuous flow of air that you can blow into. You can use this technique in any wind instrument, anything. The seniors that I sat with, they said that play a win instrument, use different parts of your gala and they said that. Okay, what if you get dry, Nikki? [00:16:30] Speaker A: Wow, really interesting. [00:16:39] Speaker B: And you know, they're simple. [00:17:16] Speaker A: Just explain to the listeners because not everyone's going to know what these terms are like. Malki Kim, I know what they are, but you know, it's so. [00:17:24] Speaker B: Malki Kima is a story. [00:17:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:17:28] Speaker B: Love story. But it's the angles that you look at that story. Yeah, but the way you learn the aloje, they teach you, like, they'll say, malki Kuta Partyana. That then reminds you, okay, then when you play. [00:18:19] Speaker A: It'S brilliant, though, honestly, I'm, like, buzzing just watching you. [00:18:29] Speaker B: That's what I can remember of it. To play, we really have to. [00:18:56] Speaker A: But what's amazing is that you're in the UK. I don't think even people in India have got that link anymore. You know, they're forgetting they're all about the swag, and that's all they are about at the moment. So it's such a bova. Digalia. [00:19:28] Speaker B: Culture is so rich, and there's so much away, you know, if you. If you actually look for it, and, uh. But there's so much. There's two flutes. There's so much you can do with them, and it's amazing. And this is what draws me to it all the time. [00:19:50] Speaker A: So that's how you learn that. So the breathing and then the rest. What about, like, so on the flutes, you want to explain to the listeners? I know a bit about it, but I want you to sort of describe how you would. Would there be different algose for different keys. [00:20:19] Speaker B: So we can put it wherever you want to fix up? When is your turn to play? [00:20:50] Speaker C: Peace. [00:20:52] Speaker A: Hmm. So, when you're forming with someone, do you have to carry a whole range of algose with you if you. [00:21:00] Speaker B: If you're performing the cream and prana. Yeah, the cream in the cream. So pele baja nana. Um, but honor is different. Computer. Computer. The pitch. Cardinal. Director. So it's different. [00:21:30] Speaker A: You're coming to my house, bro. [00:21:39] Speaker B: This is just the tip of the iceberg may have been outlined. And then uncle would start playing flute, and he was like, okay, sorry. [00:22:25] Speaker A: I'm not normally that quiet, but I'm. [00:22:31] Speaker B: Just listening to you. [00:22:35] Speaker A: It's such a pleasure listening to you. And I didn't play this much. You know, I double in music as well, and it's an absolute pleasure. It's my privilege to have, having you here today, honestly. [00:22:54] Speaker B: But you know what? I think this is my solution. You have to have the passion. If you got the passion, then you can do this stuff. If you haven't got the passion. Until when I started, it was like that. [00:23:24] Speaker C: I can't play. I've tried, and if I try to blow into it, you can just hear it. No, I can't even get, like, a sound from out of it. [00:23:35] Speaker B: And if I have. If I have somebody and they say to me, oh, can you play this? [00:23:49] Speaker A: That's amazing. So when you. When you were going to dev Rajastrology. So how old were you? If you don't mind me, ask may. [00:23:57] Speaker B: Teenager Ma 1516 1718. Although they ketchup a Yona Perona Mary. But jalakiyana teaching style to a different sit on the old school. 50 press ups. [00:24:39] Speaker A: That's amazing. So. And then after you, you got the basics of from Dev Rajasthan. You just. Just started practicing at home. Is that correct? [00:24:51] Speaker B: Satosura? It's up to you. [00:25:05] Speaker A: We'll get back to playing. I just want to sort of how? Because I'm interested of how. What did you do? Did you used to go home and start practicing yourself? Was it just like a hobby? What was your routine? [00:25:25] Speaker B: I would pick up the flute and then automatically. And then you just carry on. And before you know it you've been sitting there for 3 hours. But if anything, this is my routine. Sit down at this time. And this is my routine I'm going to practice. This is my routine. When you've got that, you look at the sorta laguna still I don't know. Then it's kind of one of those. Sometimes it's been like weeks, months. You haven't touched it. [00:26:24] Speaker A: Because my routine is different. The way I practice. Totally different. When I do vocals, mera routine beam and Sadhara Karigamakariya. And it's not with the harmonium we're taught because we pure classical. With Tampura you have to like basically Jeddah Madhavstadi. And he's younger than Meema Sadi but he's from seven generations of indian classical music. Lord Sekharana from Nagpur. They're not Punjabi, Hindi speaking, but they know everything about both. Exactly. Yeah. So it's really, really interesting the way it for you is the way you practiced and just the passion that's driven you forward. [00:27:35] Speaker B: That's it. I'm not going to lie to you. [00:27:54] Speaker A: But the whole point of it is that there's not no one way. Every person I've interviewed, there's no one way that leads you to. Everyone's got a different way. Everyone's got a different way. [00:28:13] Speaker B: It's not like maths where two plus two equals four and that's fuck up. No, no. It's so right. J to C Jerry. Sort of navy lag if you do it right. So. [00:28:34] Speaker A: So for the listeners, a verjit sword is a in. That is an accidental. Just a translation for it is an accidental in western music. Yeah. So carry on. Tell me. And what about the tumbi tombi? [00:28:49] Speaker B: Tombi recording Korea and Dr. Juice recordings. Again, the fault. [00:29:17] Speaker A: No, on, on those recordings. [00:29:28] Speaker B: Where I played. But yeah, man. [00:29:34] Speaker A: That'S phenomenal. Some of the biggest records have got your tomb. [00:29:39] Speaker B: They rank, but yeah. [00:29:42] Speaker A: What the. Honey, he's a legend. Absolutely legend. [00:29:46] Speaker B: They oj very many phone cars. And one thing I am really bad at is remembering things. Even when we're on stage to see YouTube today. Right. I'm actually trying to be on stage and I'm looking around, you can see me asking, what's next? What's next? [00:30:19] Speaker A: That's amazing. So, guys, by the way, just a quick one. How much time have we got? Because some people only have half an hour. Because I can. I can go on for ages. And I just love music. You can see the passion between us all. It's phenomenal. [00:30:39] Speaker B: Absolutely. [00:30:43] Speaker A: So, Tumbi, you've learned from. So any, any other significant memories of you learning Tumbi? [00:31:04] Speaker B: I used to want to play this side of the tombi. And he used to say. [00:31:13] Speaker C: And I. [00:31:13] Speaker B: Used to say, and he used to always like, he's sugary. Banda sega, pure sega. There's nothing like that. Miracle to see. Interview, miracle. Napkin, Ghana, Punjabi. [00:31:46] Speaker A: One of my favorite. Wow, what a story. [00:31:58] Speaker B: I was with ding from Manispina, Shani from time production myself, and I had. So he opened his book and he started laughing. We're looking at him and he's just cracking up. And we're looking at him and we started cracking up in it. And then he started cracking up more. We started cracking up. We didn't know what he's cracking up, but he just. [00:32:24] Speaker A: That aura in it has muk boja. [00:32:29] Speaker B: Like Boji Chicago and all the way there and all the way back. [00:32:50] Speaker A: So amazing to hear. [00:32:57] Speaker B: You really do have to listen. And that's one thing I think people don't do. Everybody wants to do, but nobody wants to listen. [00:33:12] Speaker A: And patience. Patience. If you haven't got patience, don't do music. [00:33:20] Speaker B: Patience, the card and doesn't eat. [00:33:22] Speaker A: Yeah, because if you like, even when I was younger, we used to. I want to know this now. I want to get this now. But no, if you take your time, relax, think about. Don't think about one month. Think about over this many years, you're going to get good. [00:33:39] Speaker B: You know, forget the thinking, how long it's going to take. Just do. [00:33:44] Speaker A: Exactly. Absolutely. It's the process. The process. [00:33:48] Speaker B: I think Sunny, last year, July, we started with everything. And February 15. March. [00:34:08] Speaker A: You were in day. March. [00:34:09] Speaker B: Did you march? Okay, so that's how many months it took. [00:34:15] Speaker A: We're gonna get back to you both. So I just want to carry on with your singing career. Then you saying you recorded. You're gonna record the second, the track with real tone. [00:34:28] Speaker B: And then after that, they signed me up for two songs. [00:34:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:34:31] Speaker B: One was of my choice, one was of their choice, and I wasn't really interested in their choice. That was it. I was done. And then after that, obviously, because I did this city. Yeah. And then Merak Gara, merakadaya gara Patandra, Lali Meghovaria. Many studios, like a soki Chandrapaji did the music on the keyboard. Yeah. Okay. Went home. Justi recorded her vocal separately. They made the song and then ticket reach tech to Maria. Maria went to India, went to the video shoot. I was more interested in playing cricket with the bhangra dancers than actually shooting the video. Recorded it, came back, they released the trailer, they released the song. Within one week. [00:36:09] Speaker A: That truck smashed it, to be fair. Massive, massive truck. Yeah. No, but it's such a shame, you know, uk pong ra, that was just like. There was track after track, hit after hit. Coming from yourself and other artists, you know, it saddens me so, doesn't it? What I mean is that we've lost that UK have lost that consistency. [00:36:45] Speaker B: I disagree. I disagree because I think the musicians, the producers, the singers, everybody from England, they do it so peacefully, purely. Sometimes they can, you know, if they do it properly, they could blow anybody out of the water. Right? We went there, went on stage and they thought, oh, these guys are here. They're going to sing. We went on stage. When we started singing the love that we got, dude, it took us 2 hours to get back to our car trophy. Like, somebody gave me a little plaque to say, oh, you know, you this. Somebody gave me money. Somebody get. Somebody gave me a thumbtee. Mela. We was trying to get back to our car with the. We had this security guard and this guy came up and he goes. [00:38:02] Speaker C: He literally just grabbed him and he wasn't letting go. And he was just, you tell him exactly what he said. [00:38:09] Speaker B: He's looking into my eyes. [00:38:10] Speaker C: It wasn't one person. There was so many people that kept doing it. Just the amount of people that, like, gave, like, love to us. We didn't expect it to be big, not like that. [00:38:30] Speaker B: So you gave a bit of talent. You're here. You did this for your passion. [00:38:38] Speaker A: We're not at the moment, we're not consistent. We don't consistently release music enough. That's what it's like. You got so much talent here. Right? But we don't. We don't get enough releases as we should. I don't know why that is release. [00:38:57] Speaker B: Kaninu Sarayano, but we've got a YouTube channel. We didn't put, you know, no promotions. No. And I'm happy to say this. I wanted to do it. I wanted to put the promotions on there, to put the views on there, to do all that stuff. I had to did this up. And next month. [00:39:36] Speaker A: Hmm. [00:39:38] Speaker B: There was like, nah, we're not gonna do it. But to be in the race with everybody else, you have to show that overnight you've had a million views. [00:39:48] Speaker A: I think, look, I'm a student of music business as well, so I think what's. What's happening? The times have changed. We've. We in the UK are still stuck. I feel in that, you know, that. That old. You have to have a video, you have to have this. But in the social media, there's a man now it's changed. Look at you guys, right? [00:40:10] Speaker B: That's her department, man. That's her department. [00:40:14] Speaker A: Maybe Galimerie say, yeah, Sami, am I right or not? [00:40:17] Speaker C: No, it's true. [00:40:18] Speaker A: It's all about social media with the reels. You guys have got so much talent. I want you to get more reels out. I want. I want. Honestly, forget the music videos at the moment. Get your reels out. I watch your reels on a regular. You probably see me seeing your profile on TikTok. [00:40:35] Speaker C: There's so many people that come on it, you know, because what I do is I go and I try to interact with everybody. [00:40:42] Speaker A: Do you handle it, the social media profile? [00:40:44] Speaker C: I tried. I try to, like, you know, get back to people, but there's so many people that are viewing the profile. [00:40:53] Speaker A: It's amazing, you know, and. And you know what you've just done for me today, Bungar, Hannah, you know, post them on there. Post them on the. [00:41:05] Speaker B: I only know, like. [00:41:09] Speaker A: You'Re better than most of the people in the UK. Honestly. Honestly, I'm talking both of you. You know, put as much stuff as possible you can, bro. You got so much talent. As I say, I want the UK to go forward, get back on the scene, you know, get. Let's get on social media, because all the youngsters out there, like I'm saying youngster, I'm. How old am I? 43. That's why now, whatever. Whatever it is you are, that's all. That's the spirit. But when I tell you so, anyways, back to. Back to pathandara. So did you. At what point did you start taking the vocal training? Was it before Putandara or after? [00:42:26] Speaker B: I was taking training during patandara. I was taking training even for Surma. I was taking training then. So what training did you do? [00:42:55] Speaker A: What did you used to do? Obviously, because it's not easy. You have to go home, learn that scale until it doesn't settle in your brain, settle on your tongue. So if you could tell us a. [00:43:13] Speaker B: Bit about that rag. Rag is a skeleton, right? So imagine a human being. Rag is just the skeleton, just the bones. And it's up to you how much fat you want to put on it. If you want to put any eyes on it. If you want to put any, anything on it. Darbari sarang push me over. Patandra sarang rag. When you go with the flow of the rag, you kind of understand it. You start singing other songs in the same rank. When you sing iPad, you might think, oh, I could sing mahi mahi aka singh gt rode, whatever it is. But it's all about the patience. Yeah. So he didn't ties down to anything. He's like, this is the rag, this is Niam. Stick to that. But if. Even if you want to come out of the rag and make a misha, you're allowed. [00:44:41] Speaker A: So if I explain to the audience what misha is. [00:44:47] Speaker B: Mishra is mixture of two rocks. Mixture of two rocks or even more. One transition from one rag to another transition another ark. You know, you do. Then you've got the movements, which is mean or you got gamma or you got. These are all terminologies in music people use. It's just like when we go on stage, we tell them the sky, we try to sing on Panjama kalam. [00:45:35] Speaker A: Yeah. The reason why I ask all these questions because the audience won't. They don't know what these terms. The listeners don't know what all these terminals. [00:45:43] Speaker B: Yeah, the term, the terms are very, very valuable for musicians and singers and people in music. But more valuable than that is your audience. [00:45:56] Speaker A: Absolutely. Some songs are like performance songs rather than. Rather than, you know, proper geiki. You have to perform the songs like Chikhila songs, performance songs, aren't they? You know, you have to. [00:46:37] Speaker B: Composer, lyricist, looks after the band, singer, everything himself. Right? And you think to yourself, wow, you know, and I'm not just saying this because of the Chimkilla movie or anything like that. I'm a fan. Amrasing Chamkila and Ambijod Kaur. I'm a big fan. I've listened to all any recordings of Dave listen to. But they had something unique, and I don't know what it is. I can't put my finger on it. I'd say una, they call us, but they had some. [00:47:21] Speaker A: They had the X factor, as you English, you know, you've got the X factor, and they had the X Factor factor, as you would say. So, okay, so you've learned that. So now we want to get back to Sadijori. How did you to meet? [00:47:44] Speaker C: Through uncle. His name is Jinder Boeing. And so I used to. I knew somebody that knew him, basically, and he introduced me to him and I was like, to be fair, I didn't know. I didn't. I didn't know. I wasn't looking to do. To go into singing with, you know, like, as a duet. I was, like, doing my own thing kind of thing. [00:48:15] Speaker A: Like, was that in Punjabi or was Punjabi singing? [00:48:18] Speaker C: Was it Punjabi? Yeah. But then, I don't know, I just had a feeling that, you know, this might work. And then that's it. [00:48:28] Speaker A: We just literally just got. So there's a bit, like, I've got a rubbish way of picturing things, so you're gonna have to fill in the gaps for me. So was there somewhere you used to go to meet Jinder, Paddy, or. How do you. How do you. [00:48:45] Speaker C: We used to. We used to do rehearsals of his pub. [00:48:49] Speaker A: Okay. [00:48:50] Speaker C: He's got a pub in West Brom called Prince of Wales. [00:48:53] Speaker A: Yeah, I know that. Very famous. [00:48:55] Speaker C: That's where we are now, actually. We're upstairs. Yeah. And so this is where we rehearse. And I just used to. I just used to come here, learn songs. Not really much of a. I didn't. [00:49:11] Speaker A: Really have a goal, Sean, because it was a hobby. [00:49:16] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, it's a hobby. I did want to take it further, but I just didn't know how. How yet. I wasn't. I didn't feel like I was ready enough to want to think about what I was going to do yet. And then all of a sudden, uncle says that a banger is going to come and he's going to see a couple of who came. He wanted to see the musicians. [00:49:46] Speaker B: I heard him, and I thought that sounded really good. And then he comes to the same gym as me. I'm looking for a female work list. It was a Thursday. I remember I was teaching, so I got home and I thought, I'll go Maitiyaga. And then Sammy came and he was like, to me, okay, and then he goes to Sami, tell gake the cow. And she didn't hesitate, not one bit. Just opened the mouth and started singing. And I was like, whoa. Like, yo, dude, you know, there's no Dharmi creative. [00:50:30] Speaker A: That's what you need. That's the first bit. I'll tell you a little story, actually. Back in, I had a show the other day, Hannah, and at the show, this is a little personal. Galia just reminded me now, at the show, before I even started the show, one of the singers comes to me in the Raj, Maddie. And he goes, come backstage with me. So goes to a Dani gonna edagona. He started dictating the whole song. He goes, repeat after me each line. Actually, you know, I don't want to say anything rude or anything, you know. You know, I'm not like that anyway. You know, someone's criticized, that's fine, I don't mind. But that knocked my confidence with my face. Song actually knocked my confidence because I was going to form and my first song wasn't as good. And I looked back, but then afterwards I thought, no, these people are paid to come here. So I've got a. I've got to get my comfort. After that, I was alright, but my first song wasn't as good. I thought, man, because it knocked my confidence. And this is. I've been thinking, I've been singing for years and that the first time it's ever happened to me, someone's actually done that to me and think I got no bad will against the guy. And I know, but that's not my confidence. He actually said NATO dagger because I'm. I'm more Mitas singer, you know? You know, this is about you guys, so I'm. Yeah, I'm more like that. And he was. He was more of a, like, you know, high pitch, you know? Yeah. Which is great singing. There's nothing wrong with that. And. But that's why that not my confidence. What that. So what were you gonna say, Sammy? Because I just. I think I just triggered something in. [00:52:21] Speaker C: You by saying that it happens, you know, like, before you start singing and someone says, oh, do it this way or do it that way. And then, like, it kind of gets to your head first. Like, is my pronunciation isn't fantastic, you know, I've still got problem with my pronunciation. I'm working on it. But, you know. [00:52:41] Speaker B: Industry. [00:52:43] Speaker C: Yeah, but. But it's different. Your punjab is still better than mine. [00:52:46] Speaker B: But he still cut me on it. [00:52:48] Speaker C: Yeah, but I can't tell the difference. Sometimes I can't, you know. Yeah, people can tell and sometimes I can't even tell where I'm going wrong. And for somebody to keep, keep saying it to you, it does make you feel a bit like, oh, you know, some people will laugh, some people will say in a nasty way, some people will say it in a nice way, but then it does get to your head. It does hit your confidence. But what I've learned is just do what you're doing. Do what you're doing. Don't let anybody, what anybody's saying get in your way and say, for example, say, for example, I didn't admit that I've got a problem, then it's different if I'm saying, oh, yeah, I can do this, I can do that, and, you know, I'm ignoring people. I do know where I have, you know, where I'll go wrong most of the time, but there's some times where I won't know. So it's okay for them saying it to you, but really, you just don't let it get to you, because if you let it get to you, then you do endlessly. [00:53:52] Speaker A: No, it's amazing. You know what's amazing about you, Sami, which I really got admiration about already, is that your humbleness, you know, because for order for a person to admit that, you know, I've got this and I'm working on it, and you're doing it. You're learning Punjabi. That's better than 99% of the Punjabis here. They're not even learning Punjabi. So you're doing it. So that's like, you have to try. [00:54:26] Speaker C: You have to try. Like, you do get. You do. You know, I'll get random, like, oh, you know, it could be anything. It could be literally from what you're wearing to, you know, what you're singing. [00:54:38] Speaker A: Don't get me started, or don't sing that song. [00:54:41] Speaker C: Sing this song. Or, you know. [00:54:42] Speaker A: You know what? You know what, Sammy? I'm not going to mention what was said here, but menu in Nagusaya, it was on one of your videos. Someone commented, and I swear, I was gonna. I don't normally do social media stuff. I was gonna comment. Nate MC Andler got Nate. So these, these same people who on social media don't have a profile, you know, but yet they've. Yeah, they've got no picture anonymous, and yet they feel that they've got the right to comment on someone. And it wasn't even about the music, you know, if it was the music, you say, no, I don't like the singing. It's fine. But where the levels that these people go to, you know, I was disgusted, you know. [00:55:44] Speaker B: You know when elephants walking, dogs bark. We was in Punjab. We got indexed with comments in Punjabi, in English and all sorts of. And people started talking amongst themselves, but everybody's got a story. We went to the performances. We went to the first performance, and on the way there was in the car myself, Sami Jinder Saab, and the driver, right, was driving, and Jinder sahib was saying to me, he goes, so we got there. They took us in vip sections, but we didn't think that we're there to, like, win a battle. We just went. [00:56:55] Speaker C: We went there. We wasn't even sure. [00:56:56] Speaker B: Like, we weren't even sure we're gonna get time on stage. [00:56:59] Speaker C: We wasn't even sure. [00:57:00] Speaker B: I'm telling you honestly, we wasn't. [00:57:01] Speaker C: We wasn't sure. We didn't. We were there. [00:57:04] Speaker B: There's people singing, and they were amazing singers. Some of them was amazing singers. [00:57:18] Speaker C: No, there was. [00:57:19] Speaker B: You know, think about it. [00:57:21] Speaker C: You know, when you hear that something don't sound right and then you're like. You know, you kind of. I mean, like, now that, like, say, a couple of years down the line, say, 1015 years ago, I wouldn't have been able to know if somebody's made a mistake. [00:57:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:35] Speaker C: But now that you start. Now you start to, like, learn about, you know, the keys and stuff like that. [00:57:41] Speaker B: Also realize how hard it is. [00:57:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:43] Speaker B: Somebody's doing it. [00:57:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:44] Speaker B: Even if they do make a mistake, you're like, dude, that's really hard. I understand why he's made that mistake. She's made, you know, but to go to India, a country which we're not born and bred in, to go to a middle with 18 to 20,000 people, audience to get on that stage, never meet the band before, don't know who they are, never rehearsed before, to never have done that sort of thing, and to say, oh, okay, we're just gonna sing for you. Check it out. You know, we just did what we. And when I started, because I was just doing the mic test for the tumbi and I played a dumbbe piece and Sami picked up the. We didn't practice that, but she. If you watch the video, you will actually see her. She's like. [00:58:33] Speaker C: I said, meh. [00:58:34] Speaker B: And then I was like, yeah, she's like, meh. And then she went like this, and I was like, just carry on there. And then she started singing and I don't know the full song, so she sang her Antara. I knew the mukra I sang. I didn't know the rest of the song. [00:59:08] Speaker C: But some people. Some people commented on that. A lot of people commented saying that you shouldn't have done that. [00:59:15] Speaker B: A lot of people commented. But you know what? Until you've made a mistake and you've acknowledged it, you. You're never gonna. [00:59:27] Speaker A: Yeah, but look at your intention. That wasn't because you intentionally did that. [00:59:31] Speaker B: That just happened. [00:59:32] Speaker A: As a musician, it happens sometimes. Things happen sometimes. You know, you don't intention. Oh, I'm gonna. I'm gonna make this mistake. [00:59:40] Speaker B: We make lots of mistakes on stage, dude. It's not. We're near perfect. No, but one thing we will say is, we're trying. [00:59:49] Speaker A: So let's rewind second. Let's rewind a second. So both of you, back to. Back to Prince of Wales at the top. [00:59:59] Speaker B: So we came here. Sammy sank, and I was like, okay, cool. Let's try it out. We started rehearsing. We didn't know what was rehearsing for. [01:00:12] Speaker C: We didn't have, like, a show or anything. We just started rehearsing. [01:00:15] Speaker B: Literally, we just started rehearsing. [01:00:17] Speaker A: Your band members there, as well? Did you have, like, a band to. [01:00:20] Speaker B: Keyboard rhythm, you know, all that sort of stuff? Different people come in and out and support us. [01:00:29] Speaker C: And then it got to a point where everybody was able to turn off on days and stuff, and it kind of, like. It was bit. It was a bit. It was a bit frustrating because we didn't really know what to do then. And it, like, we didn't. First we went from rehearsing quite often to not really rehearsing much, and then we just decided that what we'll do is we'll get a beat, put it. We'll put it on the speaker. [01:00:53] Speaker B: Not like a loop track. [01:00:56] Speaker A: Yeah, loop on it. [01:00:57] Speaker C: Yeah. And we'll just put it on the speaker, and we'll just do it with the. You know, maybe a little bit of vaja or a little bit of Dovi. And that's what we started doing. [01:01:07] Speaker A: And you got Bangar sahib with you, so, you know. [01:01:15] Speaker B: And then he goes to see India. Chi Jaki gona. I was like, okay. And then Sami. And she didn't hesitate. She's here. [01:01:26] Speaker C: No, no, no. I says, no way. I said, I am going to India. I said, I. Because every time I go, I get ill. And I'm like, I'm not going. I said to them, even if you tie me up and drag me to the airport, I thought, I won't get on that. [01:01:43] Speaker B: And then I didn't want to go at all. And then come the 27 February, somebody was running in front of me at the airport. [01:01:54] Speaker C: I didn't want to come back. [01:01:56] Speaker B: She didn't. She went to stay there. We went to India. He goes, he goes, India's program. And he's like, okay. And he didn't tell us. He goes to cham Khile Kirk. He goes to see Jodiya Jada, practice, Korea. [01:02:11] Speaker C: No, he first he was saying, don't think too much. [01:02:15] Speaker B: And then he goes, and then we. [01:02:17] Speaker C: Did the Chimkila mella in India. And then he said. [01:02:24] Speaker A: Was this pre planned? You know, because with the film coming out, did you, was that in the back of your mind or was it just, just good? [01:02:31] Speaker C: I didn't even know there was a film coming out. [01:02:33] Speaker B: We didn't know about the film. We didn't know about anything. The chunky la milla we knew about. Right. We had two other milli in India as well, which we knew about, but we didn't know nothing about the film. [01:02:45] Speaker C: I didn't. When we. When? The day that we. No, yeah, yeah. The day that we went to do the first mellah, my cousin goes to me. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, what are you talking about? I don't have a clue. [01:03:02] Speaker B: No, there was posters. [01:03:04] Speaker C: I didn't see the posters. I didn't. [01:03:07] Speaker B: I didn't acknowledge them. [01:03:09] Speaker C: I didn't. [01:03:13] Speaker B: Coca Cola. [01:03:14] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:14] Speaker C: Shop everything over there. I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. I didn't realize, I didn't, you know, I don't really pay attention. I go about my own life and, you know, rehearsals and do more. I don't really pay attention like that. You know, if I'm on YouTube and like, I'm in my car or some comes under, but I didn't realize there was a movie coming out. And the day that we were going to. [01:03:42] Speaker B: I'm not that clever either, to be honest, to actually plan something. This, like this. Oh, Rajeet, the Sanji is going to release the film. Let's make a Jolie. I'm not that clever. It just kind of happened. We performed at the Chimkila Mellah. We had critics commenting on the mellah. We had people calling us, contacting us, the phone calls. Oh, dude, it was crazy. It's like, you know, people finding us saying we're good, people finding us saying we're bad, people finding this. The comments. You could, you. Everybody can see the comments. [01:04:15] Speaker A: Yeah. To be fair, I think in general, I think comments will be really positive. I think at least I think so too. [01:04:26] Speaker C: Even like most of the phone calls that we've got, most of them are positive. Everything, I think 98%, let's say 90%. [01:04:35] Speaker B: We did the midlar. I think the midlar was on a Wednesday. It was a midweek anyway. And on the Saturday. [01:04:41] Speaker C: It was on the Saturday, wasn't it? [01:04:43] Speaker B: No, it was before that, because Sunday we went to. It was midweek anyway. We did the miller. And then Sammy got a phone call from Tim Kilasab's daughter. Random is the name. [01:05:00] Speaker A: Kamal. Kamala. [01:05:03] Speaker C: Kamal's. [01:05:06] Speaker A: Okay, I'll go. Okay. [01:05:09] Speaker B: So she found. She found Sami. And I was like. And Sami then found me. She goes, oh, I've had a phone call. [01:05:15] Speaker C: I started panicking. To be fair, I couldn't speak. She couldn't speak at all. Like, I'm okay with speaking and jumpy a little bit, but that book literally threw me up. And I said. I said, I can't talk to you. And then I spoke to one of the granddaughters, Jim Keela's granddaughters, because she started speaking English. And then I, like, you know, but literally, because I just started panicking because I realized who it was. [01:05:39] Speaker B: And then she goes to me. She goes about this phone call. I don't know if it's real, but we've been invited to Jim Keela's house for rookie. [01:05:46] Speaker A: Wow. Wow. [01:05:48] Speaker B: I was like, you are? And then I was like, are we gonna go? And she goes, I don't know. I says, okay. Then we found Jinder Saab. I was, okay. So we got in the car, which is Sunday. We went to the shop, got sweets and mithay and stuff. We went to the house and the love that they gave us. [01:06:15] Speaker A: Phenomenal. [01:06:17] Speaker B: There's, like, to see Sadhguru, to see Sade Hogan, because, you know, they made sag roti chips. And then I played amazing chunky last to be his actual tombi. [01:06:47] Speaker A: Wow. [01:06:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:49] Speaker A: You gotta send me the photos, bro. Yeah, send me the photos of the videos. Yeah, we use them for social media. That's what I mean. Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. I agree with you. Sammy. Sammy. [01:07:04] Speaker B: Get him on track. I played the tumbi, and then they made a sing. And whilst I was playing his dumbbe, and then they told us a lot of, like, what happened. [01:07:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:18] Speaker B: Actually happened. And they've also told us not to disclose it to anyone, so we respect that. [01:07:34] Speaker C: We found out that Jamkilla made his own tumbi. I didn't know that. It was really hilarious because he made his own tumbi before he went to India. [01:07:46] Speaker B: Just before I went to India, I made. [01:07:47] Speaker A: Really? [01:07:48] Speaker B: Yeah, man. I got a piece of hardwood which was like, that thick, laid it all down, made the cockpit. I had a tud, which I took the skin off, put it on here. I made the peg, put on it, made the. Cody put a microphone in it. Before I went to India, I made this. [01:08:40] Speaker A: Thank you so much, bro. It's amazing. So, uh, yeah, we all, I won't keep you too much longer, guys. So, um, did you, when you rehearsed together, did you ever do anything, anything extra? Because it's the first time you're rehearsing with another person. You have to get to know each other, your vocal range, things like that. Hannah. [01:09:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:01] Speaker C: It was so awkward at the beginning. [01:09:03] Speaker A: Well, tell us about it. [01:09:04] Speaker C: He's so awkward. Such an awkward person. You don't understand me. [01:09:09] Speaker B: Awkward? [01:09:09] Speaker C: Yeah. So I'm there and I'm like, he's going on like, he's all like, I don't know. [01:09:15] Speaker B: What, what? What? [01:09:17] Speaker C: I'll tell you. He was going on like, he's really strict and he's this and he's this and this, like when he's telling me stuff. Dude, we've been talking. [01:09:26] Speaker B: Do I look strict? Do you sound strict? [01:09:28] Speaker C: No. [01:09:28] Speaker B: No. [01:09:28] Speaker C: When it was just me and him on rehearsals, when I was wrong, he'd be like, oh, you didn't wrong. You didn't wrong. And I used to just kind of be like, okay. And I'm trying to get it right, but I didn't know how to get it right because I got a problem with Punjabi, first of all. Didn't it? [01:09:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:09:42] Speaker C: And then she flipped with the pronunciation. [01:09:44] Speaker B: And then she flipped and she was like, you know what? This is our sink, right? Get used to it. Or help me, help me put it right. And I was like. [01:09:55] Speaker C: I didn't do that straight away. I waited. I waited a while. [01:09:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:10:00] Speaker C: I was trying to keep myself calm because I didn't know how he's gonna react if I, you know, if I flip. But then I was trying because I bottled it in, so for so long. [01:10:07] Speaker B: And she just flipped. She's like, this is our thing, right? Either get used to it or help me fix it. Help me fix it. I was like, uh, okay. I was, I'm not a teacher or a stud. She goes, yeah, but you keep on telling me, so help me fix it then. [01:10:21] Speaker C: Yeah. You can hear where I'm going wrong. I can't. Although if you can hear where I'm. [01:10:24] Speaker A: Going, what was it like, if you don't mind me asking something, was it was it more to do the pronunciation? Was it to do the pronunciation? [01:10:31] Speaker C: I know it wasn't just the pronunciation, actually, it was a pronunciation. And it was. I kept going out of beat hard. [01:10:41] Speaker A: That's quite hard for anything, especially when you're starting off. You know, they say that, that you could. If you. If you're a singer and you and your beetle, it's really hard for you to get. [01:10:57] Speaker C: I don't clap in time at all. I'll say, I'll stop singing in time. [01:11:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:02] Speaker C: Not. [01:11:02] Speaker A: Not perfect, but Sammy, what I'll do for you, right? I'll send you this to starts video. Right. And Bangalore will know about this anyway, you know, have you ever done Kali? And. And when you're doing a tintal, like 1234-1234 Kali. One, two, three. So he knows. [01:11:25] Speaker B: So. [01:11:25] Speaker A: So you don't even need. You don't even know the ball. But what you can do, start. Start learning those and then really slowly and just. Just start doing sorghums to it. And then why don't I. [01:11:40] Speaker B: At least you'll get something. [01:11:46] Speaker A: No, I just. Because I know you know where I'm weak at. I'm like you, Sammy. So if I find. I'm not questioning, so how can I improve it? You find out, you go, I'm not. [01:11:59] Speaker C: Fantastic, but I'm okay with when I'm singing. You asked me to clap in there. In be. It's not happening because I'm so focused on being on time when I'm thinking. [01:12:12] Speaker A: I'll send you the video. Yeah, I'll send you the video. Right. [01:12:17] Speaker B: I'll watch it. [01:12:18] Speaker A: Well, this guy, his name is Anul Jagarji. So he is a student of. What's his name? The best class, best indian classical teacher in Ajay Chakrabotti. So he's the best. Yeah, he's the best indian classical singer in the world. One of the best. This is his student. And he's got his own YouTube channel, Anul Chattanooga. His YouTube channel is, you know, and the way he's explained, I've got his numbers off. Like, I contacted him a few times as well. I says, can you give me private lessons? He goes, they don't do private lessons. [01:13:02] Speaker B: But again, these sort of things in. When I listen to. I'm not gonna lie to you. When I listen to classical music, sometimes it goes above my head. [01:13:11] Speaker A: It's boring. [01:13:20] Speaker B: And you're like, dude, everybody. And all of a sudden, everybody's a. [01:13:28] Speaker A: Va. No, the truth is, Samuel Mongrel probably knows about this. Is that classical music? It's quite boring. Like, you know, the practice for it is. I find it. I don't know about you, I find it boring. [01:13:45] Speaker B: It's hard. [01:13:46] Speaker A: Yeah. That's probably why it's boring. [01:13:49] Speaker B: It's so hard. But if you can do that, you can do anything. And the other thing is understanding of the language that you sing in it. [01:13:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:59] Speaker B: Is the mustang. But, yeah, classically, obviously, when you got the likes of. [01:14:28] Speaker A: Honestly, honestly, I was just learning today. I was just going to show you my book. I was learning a tumri called Arimorapia. So. Atelika Jatal Kinney Matre art. Yeah, yeah. So I was learning that. But the humidity starts on off. So in the classroom, you have. You have to. You have to. You have to be bang on time. [01:15:00] Speaker C: I can't. I can't do any of that. If it fits on the. [01:15:04] Speaker A: Look, look, I'm giving you advice to the older brother. You're learning Punjabi. You can learn anything. You got. You got. [01:15:12] Speaker C: Honestly, one thing at a time, though. And if you throw anything. [01:15:15] Speaker A: Honestly, honestly, the sky is the limit. You got YouTube now. Sky's the limit. [01:15:20] Speaker B: You know, this YouTube thing, it's. It's amazing, but it's also so hard. You have to get everything perfect before you put it out. [01:15:30] Speaker A: Hmm. [01:15:32] Speaker C: And it's not about that these days, to be fair. No, you don't have to be perfect. You know, if you're having a rehearsal and you mess up, it's fine. You put. You just write down, yeah, we're having a rehearsal. [01:15:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:15:44] Speaker B: You know, I think today. [01:15:45] Speaker C: But people prefer raw material. [01:15:48] Speaker B: Yeah, we have this argument all the time, by the way. [01:15:51] Speaker A: She's right. She's right. She's right. What? You know, if you have a polish, what happens on social media, right? If you have a polished video on TikTok data scroll, I don't want to watch it. If you have someone raw, like, you know, like how your shows are, they'll watch it because it's a raw video, live video. I don't know, something to do. Human behavior, I can't explain it, but people watch it. Honestly. Honestly, you guys will. You guys will blow. You guys just blow up. Honestly. [01:16:45] Speaker B: And the main thing I would say is, even when we talk about what we want to do in the future and stuff like that, we want people to like what we do just like everybody else. Nobody runs a race to come second. Right? But at the same time, you want people to say, yeah, man, you guys are doing it this but Apani industry. [01:17:22] Speaker A: So I'll tell you something. I'll tell you something crazy. So I may, Ghana Lis Kitasi Ganasi, Sony is a drill track. So I released it. And I've only met Cam frantic once or twice. So legend guy, lovely guy, right? I meet him and Timo, Ghana Liskita. And Cam camp commented on it. He goes, fantastic, Raj, you know, this and that. And then, you know, if Cam frantic comments on your track and says it's good, what are you gonna do? You're gonna put it on social media. It's Cam frantic. [01:17:59] Speaker B: I'm not very clued at it. [01:18:01] Speaker A: Yeah, but, but I'm gonna. I looped it on social media. Some guy who's got. Hasn't got his picture. He goes, oh, uh, he had the. He had the, um, audacity say, oh, I know. Cam probably knows, you know, he probably already knows you. And that's why he said, it's good. But your tracks not actually that good. [01:18:26] Speaker B: So we did the middle. Yeah. And we got video from Paramjeet, Hans Pazi. Hans Raj Huns, his brother. [01:18:37] Speaker A: Yeah, legend. [01:18:39] Speaker B: And we got somebody from. We was in India. Somebody from England sent us a clip of him. Beginners up. We don't know him from Adam, right? Long story short, he got in touch with us and he was like Bodhia to support the ball, but he had to guy, okay. And he put the phone. Few days later, he found me. He goes to sitaminum problem party. [01:19:03] Speaker A: You. [01:19:03] Speaker B: Know, he goes, oh, my new Punjab to phone Loki Karthik. And I'm like, dude, I don't even know. Like, I don't even know this because people are. That, you know, people will try to pull you back and they're saying stuff like, he actually said it. Sammy was there. He goes, people are phoning me saying, how much have we paid him to say those words from India? [01:19:35] Speaker A: England? [01:19:36] Speaker B: He's from Canada. [01:19:37] Speaker A: No, no. What? These people from Canada, were they from India or who's phoned him from India and the UK? [01:19:44] Speaker B: India and the UK. [01:19:46] Speaker A: You know, it's the UK people who this is, again, this person who commented on my video. [01:19:58] Speaker B: I don't even know who they are. These names. You're telling me, like, you know yourself, music takes it out of you, yet you don't have time to look at other people's stuff. [01:20:07] Speaker A: No. [01:20:07] Speaker B: Yeah. Practice. They were lessen the vegetables, Lagada. He was like, ah. But he goes, why, dude, if we see something and we like it, we're just gonna like it. There's no politics involved. I don't care what happened. [01:20:37] Speaker C: If you really, really like it. You share it as well, don't you? But if you don't like it, if you don't like it, if there's something wrong with it and you think that you might be able to help the person by saying, you know what, you need to fix it, you can send them a private message. [01:20:50] Speaker B: Private message. [01:20:52] Speaker C: Or you can put it in the comments if you want, but you still leave a nice comment. Oh, you know, you did really good, but you could have done this different or whatever. You know, everybody's got their opinions, but to just go, like, dude, like, to. [01:21:05] Speaker B: Phone, imagine, like, you're doing this interview and somebody phones you and says, why. [01:21:10] Speaker C: Did you do interview? [01:21:11] Speaker B: Why do you interview with them? How much did they pay you. [01:21:20] Speaker A: Back? Ernest, you know, where we're from, we're from Hansworth. That's why we don't. I used to work in this call center now and in Birmingham town. And so when I was studying, you know, at uni, I was working the call center, and there was this Indians from London, they were studying in Birmingham, and I told, oh, where you from? What's Handsworth? You from Handsworth? They looked at me like, man, they're, oh, Dargah Satya. [01:21:56] Speaker C: We get. [01:22:01] Speaker B: Upright. [01:22:12] Speaker C: Sometimes, but he's, you know what? He's, he's made me learn how to have a bit more patience. Because I was a patient. I didn't have the patience at all. [01:22:22] Speaker B: You have to stay calm. I met charity. I'm not dropping any names. I met him, and he goes, if you, if you've got, like, hidden agendas in you, your music's not gonna work. You have to be pure, right? And for some reason that collected me, you know what? I got no hidden agendas with anyone. Do you think if you like something bigger, if you don't like something still bigger. [01:22:52] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, I had one. So something you were saying about social media comments. Another guy, again, one of my other songs, he commented on it. I'm not feeling it. This, you should do this and that. I'm not feeling PK, but I was gonna say, I didn't comment back. I was gonna say, well, I don't mind you criticizing, you know, but have you ever share, if you music that you like of mine, have you ever shared that. [01:23:18] Speaker B: People look at negativity? Yeah, I'm gonna go into a totally, you can cut this out if you want. [01:23:23] Speaker A: No, no, no, this is fine. [01:23:25] Speaker B: I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go into a totally different, like, lane at the moment. Yeah, I get messages. People phone me in the middle of the night, right? Or gal kartike, I'm like, okay, tiger, what do you want to do? Okay, cool, right? What's cast got to do with music? What's color got to do with music? What's creed got to do with music? What's. Where you are in the world got to do music? We are doing music, right? Music is universal. It's a medium that breaks down all barriers. Right. And coming back to what Char said to me, right? So if you've got the. If I've got the hidden agenda against you, you will see it. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but one day you'll be like, actually, that guy had this hidden agenda. We're doing music. What's the hidden agenda in music? [01:24:46] Speaker A: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Because what people don't understand, it's not. [01:24:50] Speaker C: A lot of competition, isn't there? Yeah, but it's not. It's not a competition. Everybody's in it. [01:24:56] Speaker B: But what I find in themselves, what I find in the UK, again, I'm going off topic. There's a lot of two faceness as well. This is not my character or nature to say this. The minute you turn your back, yo, dude. [01:25:17] Speaker A: On UK. This is the problem. The UK industry, you know, like, we should be pumping ourselves up. [01:25:22] Speaker B: You are the UK. [01:25:24] Speaker A: I know. [01:25:25] Speaker B: Or the UK. If we don't help each other. You. You contacted us. We've got. We're talking to each other. Right? That's what it should be about. Not secretly looking on somebody's profile with a secret profile and leaving a message with no pictures. Oh. [01:25:57] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:26:00] Speaker B: You know, but these are people who can't really do it. Keyboard warrior. Warrior. Keyboard keyboard warrior. [01:26:08] Speaker A: Keyboard warrior. [01:26:09] Speaker B: Keyboard warriors. Right. You have to see budget, hatha Lake. But there's so many. But you know what, Jinnah gala do. What makes you happy? We're singing Jody songs. Yeah. People say to us, Sandus had phone calls. [01:26:32] Speaker A: Gosh. [01:26:34] Speaker B: And we already got, you know what. [01:26:36] Speaker C: But you know what it is? You know, being a female, being an asian female here in the UK, it's very. You think that there's no controversy, but there's still loads. You think that, oh, you know, this is a new generation, you know. [01:26:53] Speaker B: You know, things should be. [01:26:56] Speaker C: Things should be like, everything should be normal now. [01:26:58] Speaker A: Everything should be normalized. [01:27:01] Speaker C: You still do get it. [01:27:03] Speaker B: Oh, you're singing with her. I'm like, yeah, acha now, for example. [01:27:09] Speaker C: I'll get like, so. So with my family first, they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sing, sing. You know, do what you. Whatever you. Then they started saying, no, actually, you know what? Because my pronunciation was really bad. It was really, really bad. I couldn't speak Punjabi, though, but I was trying. But what they didn't understand that is I have to go to rehearsals to. [01:27:31] Speaker A: Keep practicing, to try, you know, to. [01:27:33] Speaker C: Get better, I have to keep going. They didn't understand why I kept going. [01:27:37] Speaker B: And, you know yourself, to do one bit, it could take you however long. You know, it could be done in. In one rehearsal, it could be not done in six months, you know? [01:27:48] Speaker C: And there was one. There was one little show that we had somewhere. And I messed up this couple of years ago. So, like, you know, like, hit my confidence as well. But at the same time, I still thought, you know what? I have done it. I can do it. I've done it when I'm by myself. But, you know, when you're in front of an audience and stuff like that, you've got people, you got your family there. It does become a bit overwhelming at the beginning. So obviously I messed up. And then it was like, now you're not doing that again. [01:28:21] Speaker B: You're not doing it, but in the same breath. [01:28:24] Speaker C: But now. Now if I say I'm going to go to rehearsal, I won't have one person say, no, don't go. [01:28:35] Speaker A: It's brilliant. [01:28:37] Speaker C: They'll be like, okay, then. Even if we're at family function or something, you can't knock it, because they'll say. They'll say to me like, oh, why are you going so early? Or gonna go to rehearsal or go to the studio. Oh, okay. Whereas before talking. [01:29:08] Speaker B: You know what it was that time, but now purusha proti genu mama okana gona goraya because pela luki can the simrasi and the kamiya no utopala come here it together. Everybody's watching chunky love. You know, when they're rehearsing. We could relate to that. Yeah, they're rehearsing. There's nothing. It's music. [01:30:02] Speaker A: This is. This is the problem with. With the. With our societies in it, you know, our ways. You don't have this. Another western industry. The lava mahakani, the kernel. [01:30:15] Speaker B: Western male and female agenda. But, Pamela. But people make assumptions straight away. [01:30:31] Speaker C: That's okay. They should make assumptions. [01:30:33] Speaker B: What? [01:30:34] Speaker C: Everybody should make their own assumption because it makes things interesting. For example, when I'm watching stuff. When I'm watching stuff online, right? And if there's a guy and a girl, I'll watch that more because I'm like, oh, what you know what they're doing. You know, like, you know, we're all. [01:30:53] Speaker A: Gossip queens. [01:31:02] Speaker C: Or something. We're watching stuff. And then, you know, it's, it becomes like, oh, who are these two? Or if you know somebody, you know, oh, what's she doing with him? You know, it becomes more of a, like, you know, people start, people have their own assumptions. People ask questions. People don't ask questions. But at the end of the day, everybody's got their own, like, you know, people say, don't judge a book by its cover, but you do. [01:31:25] Speaker A: It's none of the business. To be fair, I do it. [01:31:29] Speaker C: I did your book for it. I do it, but I don't want to do it. But it just happens in your own mind. [01:31:38] Speaker A: It's your own, in your own mind. You know, that's in your mind. Whatever. You shouldn't go and tell someone you know. Who are you telling? Someone else? [01:31:47] Speaker C: Exactly. [01:31:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:49] Speaker C: You know, everybody likes to, like, make their own assumptions, but you, sometimes you don't want to spoil it for the mind. Like, they want to assume something. Just let them assume what they want to assume. Like, I've got to that point now. Whereas before, like, when people would assume things, I'd be like, don't say that. Or, you know, now I'm like, because, you know, that's what sometimes that with social media, that's what sometimes keeps it going. Yeah. [01:32:19] Speaker B: If you're putting good content that this is like, we do this. Yeah, but they're allowed to have that. I don't think that's what keeps you going. [01:32:31] Speaker C: There's different reasons why things keep going. Now, for example, if the lighting is. [01:32:35] Speaker B: Not great, I disagree to that, man. People listen to music. [01:32:41] Speaker C: It just depends. It just. Everybody's got their own. Everybody's got their own taste. Everybody. You know, if I see a really big video, I wouldn't really watch it, to be fair. But if I see something that's colorful and bright, I'd be more like, oh. [01:32:53] Speaker B: I'd watch a dog video. [01:32:54] Speaker C: If it sounds, if it sounds good, me, I wouldn't look at that. I would look. I would. You know, everybody has their own way of looking at things. [01:33:02] Speaker B: Sorry, ma'am, we're going to intervene. [01:33:04] Speaker A: Anything. It's interesting. [01:33:14] Speaker B: Hello. [01:33:15] Speaker A: Go Kam Johi beg. Yeah, but that's one of my favorite songs because Audi Berman, Nicombos Kitasi. So I'm a big, big, massive fan of Audi baby. Absolutely amazing. Guys, I'm not going to take up too much of your time. So, last few questions. Question. So the purpose of this pod, the purpose of this podcast is mainly in the pursuit of musical excellence. Magunda it's a bit of a mouthful. Give mother. So basically, how would, what do you think, musical excellence? How do you pursue musical excellence? [01:34:22] Speaker C: What do you mean by that? [01:34:23] Speaker A: So musical excellence is you getting good at music in general. What advice would you give to the listeners and myself as well, to get better? You already, you've said a lot of it already. So is there anything that your tips. [01:34:38] Speaker C: You'Ve given now, for example, if I, if I was giving advice to somebody that wanted to sing or even get into any, like, you know, you can deal with the instrument side, I'll go, I'll talk about the singing. If somebody, if somebody wants to like learn how to sing and stuff. [01:35:01] Speaker A: If. [01:35:01] Speaker C: They'Re born and bred here, the first thing I'd say to do is just start talking more Punjab, be around, you know, whoever you can see if you can get some kind of training, some kind of lessons, if you can listen and like listen to your own voice, like record your own voice, record your own voice and listen, listen back to it. Because sometimes I didn't realize that I was going out of pee. I wasn't listening to myself. I was singing it out loud. I wasn't listening to myself even though I was singing out loud till I recorded it and listened to myself back and I was like, oh, that sounds great. That sounds great. And then, you know, you go back to it and then you try to, you just keep trying, just don't give up. [01:35:45] Speaker A: That's fantastic. That's exactly what I was after, you know, for this last, last part. Bhagavad Ji, see this up. [01:35:53] Speaker B: Just do it. [01:35:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I've heard that before. Just do it. Don't think, do it. [01:36:02] Speaker C: Yeah. People are going to say also, people are going to, people are going to say, no, you know, it don't sound right or, you know, you shouldn't do it. But you know what? I reckon everybody's got it in them to do something, to do music if they want to do, if they want. [01:36:14] Speaker B: To do it so bad, get up. [01:36:17] Speaker C: If they try to do it and they just keep, keep trying and keep practicing. [01:36:21] Speaker B: You know, all these fancy words that we use. [01:36:24] Speaker C: I'm not, I'm not amazing. I wouldn't class myself as a singer. So this is practicing, you know, because, you know, I wouldn't class myself as something like that until, until I'm ready one day. I'm not ready to say that. [01:36:41] Speaker B: But one thing I would say, don't be afraid of these. These words, like rock tall. [01:36:47] Speaker C: He scares me with them words all the time. [01:36:49] Speaker B: To be fair. Don't be afraid. Just get up and do it, man. And if somebody says to you, yeah, you should learn rag. If you want to do it, do it. Listen to it first article, YouTube. [01:37:12] Speaker A: Well, so did Michael Jackson know Rog? He's one of the best singers ever. [01:37:22] Speaker B: It's about just doing it. It's so hard to get a condition. At least they freaking do any. Yeah, that's what I like. I like, people know when they try to do something, and I could see I'm like, yo, Sami will be like, I'm not, dude. They're doing something. [01:37:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:38:00] Speaker C: But my family, like, oh, you won't know what to do. Now that I've started to do. Everybody will have their own opinion. Oh, you should do it like this. Oh, no, no. The other person say, no, don't do it like that. [01:38:21] Speaker B: Say it like this. Which my middle and attendee property and jinders are here. Sami was here. All of their faces went like this. [01:38:53] Speaker C: No, don't do it like that. Do it the way you did it. [01:38:55] Speaker B: She said it, but everybody else was just like, but, yeah, you know, if. [01:39:04] Speaker C: You don't say something at the right time now, if we're in rehearsal, we can make as many mistakes as we want. We can make as many, like he says all the time, make a mistake. Yeah, but sometimes before I come to me, I'd rather rehearse myself at home when I'm alone, when I'm in front of anybody. Like, sometimes I don't want to even make a mistake in front of him because, you know, you still want to try. You still, the more you practice, the better you are. [01:39:33] Speaker B: But I think when you come over, overcome that, and you say, yo, if I make a mistake, I make a mistake. I'm singing this. This is me. [01:39:41] Speaker C: But I'll still try it at home before I come. Either way, you make a mistake here. I wouldn't feel that bad that I made the mistake here, because I know that I have been trying say if I didn't practice at home and I came here and I made a mistake. [01:39:54] Speaker B: But when you get to that point where you know that you practice it so much, you're not gonna make a mistake, or you're gonna make that mistake, and you could do it on purpose, that's when you know. But, dude, like I said, just get up and do it, man. [01:40:14] Speaker A: Absolutely. [01:40:15] Speaker B: You're doing this. This is amazing. [01:40:17] Speaker A: We know one, and you, like, honestly, you're from handworth, man. Straight away, you're somebody. Sammy, quick question. Sorry, I think we're almost done. 2 hours. You know, guys. [01:40:39] Speaker C: Had a thing with two people. [01:40:41] Speaker A: No, no, first time. Yeah. [01:40:44] Speaker C: How long, how long is it with normally when you do one person? [01:40:46] Speaker A: Well, the, the best I've done. And uh, so by hour 20, I did ammo hour 20, tubsy hour 20. Before that it was about like 1 hour here, there. But yeah, double. Yeah. [01:41:01] Speaker B: No, it's just that if you're really. [01:41:03] Speaker A: Interesting guys, like we're, we're sitting here, like we're sitting at home, you know, having the chat. Yeah, that's, that's why, you know, that's what we do. Yeah, exactly. [01:41:13] Speaker B: We're not giving it large. [01:41:14] Speaker A: We're not like. [01:41:23] Speaker B: We'Re just normal people from Handsworth. We're very proud of it. And even when we went to do these shows, we set it on stage. Yeah, we're from Handsworth and we're proud of it. So I'll listen for the hands with nothing. [01:41:36] Speaker A: Have you got any advice for other female artists, Sammy? [01:41:40] Speaker C: Other females? [01:41:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Because like there's not enough female artists in industry at the moment. [01:41:49] Speaker C: What kind of advice are you saying though? [01:41:51] Speaker A: Like even getting into it, like, I don't know what is stopping females in the UK. [01:42:00] Speaker C: Anybody that wants to go into it is literally just start practicing, start this thing back to yourself and the way forward in social media. [01:42:08] Speaker A: But are there any obstacles that are stopping people? [01:42:13] Speaker C: Like, for example, families and stuff. But at the end of the day, you have to speak to your family and let them know and stuff that this is what you want to do. My family tried to stop me so much, but I didn't stop. I didn't stop. They got angry with me, you know, loads of stuff happened in between, but I didn't give up. And, you know, when people realize that you're not going to give up, they either say to you, do whatever you want, you know when they realize. When they realize that you, you don't. Yeah. You're not doing anything wrong. [01:42:54] Speaker A: The one thing I've noticed about probably the whole world really is like this. When you're starting something, right, everyone's against you, like what you doing. But when you, when you make it. [01:43:12] Speaker B: You know, when we was rehearsing first, Sanduloki can do this. Yeah. You're gonna turn into another one of this. So you're gonna be like this. And then now those same people are like, you know what? Nimagala is even harder to sing in logo. [01:43:43] Speaker A: This is basically no. Independent industry, they say. Oh, you know, you know, like nay, you have to sing on, you know, f, c sharp, b. Yeah. If that's true, that means gulamali is a bad singer. Jagit Singh is a bad singer. You can't even say minus sharma even saying that, you know, they're the. Some of the best singers ever. Ever. Exactly. [01:44:16] Speaker B: You know, but it's not about. It's about for me, but it's also understanding char de marikas. But if you do, you know, you put that expression. But you're only going to know that if you know what you're actually singing. [01:44:57] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:44:59] Speaker B: Onapagani. [01:45:12] Speaker A: You know, you remind me of. Bro. This is a massive compliment. You know, your, your expressions and the way you put your expression in your voice. Muhammad siddiq sab, you, neighbor, odi chalak. [01:45:26] Speaker B: Owner of naya. [01:45:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:45:28] Speaker B: Thank you. But even him. The expressions that used to have nadi Delaparade sinu nalara, jai jokara. [01:45:50] Speaker C: Kamade koda has silangi jahanam. [01:46:34] Speaker A: I had a show once, right? So I had the same night. And where was it anyway? On a radio interview with Raj FM Live Method we had. So, um. My voice has gone in the morning. I got up. I can't, I'm not gonna speak this morning. [01:46:54] Speaker C: But I had no voice this morning. [01:46:56] Speaker A: You know what I did? This is a horrible remedy. Get garlic. Right? Garlic. Mince it. Mince it. [01:47:03] Speaker C: I need to listen to this. [01:47:05] Speaker A: Mince it. Shad barke, cayenne pepper or black pepper. Mix it all up. Right? Yeah. [01:47:11] Speaker C: I'm allergic to honey though. [01:47:13] Speaker A: I can't do nothing about that, can I? What you do is take a spoon and you don't, you don't wash it down. You just eat it, chew it and just let it settle up. It's horrible. But every 4 hours do that. I'm not lying. End of the. Within like four, five, 6 hours, my voice was back. [01:47:35] Speaker B: Or you could sleep at night and rest. [01:47:38] Speaker A: They see la. Yeah, they see the garden. [01:47:40] Speaker C: What was it? What was it? Garlic. [01:47:43] Speaker A: Minced garlic. Minced garlic. So like, you can mince it in a blender. You're gonna mince garlic. Black cayenne pepper is better. Or black pepper and honey. Mix it all up. Right. And just eat it like. No, no. The honey's got antibiotic properties. Honey shadow just had the black pepper and garlic. But Dongama is disgusting. My wife didn't come near me for the whole day. [01:48:20] Speaker C: I like garlic. I like. [01:48:23] Speaker B: On your own. [01:48:27] Speaker A: Guys. [01:48:29] Speaker B: Just kosherako upon, entertain yourself. Stage performance they call. Right. And you're only going to understand that if you know what you're singing. You know, you could be singing table, chair, bed. [01:49:09] Speaker C: The first time I sang that song, I didn't know what it meant at all. I was just singing it. [01:49:17] Speaker B: When we went to India, everybody who interviewed us. Okay, yes. If it is it, isn't it meaning funny? [01:49:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:49:32] Speaker B: And we're like, dude, it is what it is. And it's like, we're doing this to you because we want to do. Yeah, if you want to do it. If you don't want to do it. But dakala kara. [01:49:54] Speaker A: So, guys, where can we catch you on your social? I know already, but let everyone know. Where can we catch you on your. On your socials? And have you got website or. [01:50:13] Speaker C: We spelled Jody like, as in, like, we haven't. We have. When we were figuring out what we're gonna call ourselves, I just wanted Jody. Yeah, he wanted this Jody by itself. [01:50:24] Speaker B: And. But then she goes, oh, no, there's a film by Duji, the science, called Jodi, and people are gonna confuse it with that. [01:50:30] Speaker C: I was like, okay, we needed something different. So I says to him, okay, why don't we have sati Jody? But then what I did was, I know that Jody spelled. Spelled with a d. But I said, we're from the UK. [01:50:41] Speaker A: Hmm. No, it's fine. Yeah. [01:50:57] Speaker B: So we put Sadi, J o r I, Sadiji. And we're on all the platforms, guys. Check that, man. If you like our stuff, give us a like. If you don't like our stuff. [01:51:12] Speaker C: Sunday Jody official. So that's what we've taken. [01:51:16] Speaker A: Absolutely. I got that. What's for the future? Have you got any songs coming out together? I did see a music video shoot. Is that for your song. [01:51:25] Speaker B: By yourself? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna record it. The song. [01:51:38] Speaker C: We've got a couple of songs coming up. [01:51:41] Speaker B: We recorded in India. [01:51:43] Speaker C: Recorded them in India. [01:51:43] Speaker B: Did the video shoots are done. Everything's been prepared at the moment. But at the moment, what we're getting a lot is because of the chunky La movie, we get a lot of people saying, like, what you said. Did you know about it? Did you plan it? We didn't plan anything. I'm getting random messages that people stopping, but that's all we're getting. People are comparing it, saying, we've had this plan. There's no plans, dude. [01:52:20] Speaker A: Well, we can let everyone know that there was no plan. It just landed that way in it. Yep. Absolutely. Hundred percent, you know? [01:52:29] Speaker B: And that's it really? But, yeah, check us out on social medias. [01:52:40] Speaker A: So, guys, thank you so much, guys. And make sure you give them a follow and make sure you. If you see this on social media, make sure you share it. Leave a review for me on my podcast and on YouTube. Leave a comment, review, positive comment. If you want to leave a negative comment, make sure your face. Make sure your face is visible so we can see your face and who you are. And Aslina, no, leave the negative comment, but at least show your face. [01:53:26] Speaker B: Thank you so much to see Sandu like you, I'm not going to call this interview. [01:53:35] Speaker A: Absolutely. [01:53:36] Speaker B: And I'm just so grateful to you. Material. Nita, the interviews you do, they. [01:53:56] Speaker A: No, you guys are fantastic. Honestly, guys, this is one of the best guys. You got to come to the house. You're only local Hans with. [01:54:07] Speaker C: Nice to meet you anyway. Absolutely. You know everything about us now. [01:54:11] Speaker B: You know, you know where we are as well. [01:54:13] Speaker A: Yep. [01:54:15] Speaker C: You've asked us questions, but we haven't been able to ask you anything yet. [01:54:19] Speaker A: You come here. You come here. And I've got a little studio in my house, in my bedroom. We practice every Friday. Yeah, just come down. We'll have a laugh. I was actually. I was speaking. I was speaking to Tubbsy, actually, banga the other day, and we were trying to set up a, you know, back in the day when everyone just get together, start jamming, you know, just any single come live Mayfield. So we're trying to arrange that where all the singers, all the uk musicians. [01:54:55] Speaker B: Just come together, have a laugh, you know, we're happy. Yeah, exactly. [01:55:03] Speaker A: And that's how we'll get better. We'll get the UK industry back. Back on top. Because as a lead musician, UK chair, I'm. I'm not saying that to anyone. [01:55:12] Speaker B: I'm 100% with you. The heart of Bhangra music is from the UK. And I'm going to go as far as saying it's from Birmingham and I'm going to say it's like. Even from Soho Road. [01:55:23] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah. [01:55:24] Speaker B: You know what? [01:55:25] Speaker C: Everything. [01:55:26] Speaker B: Like when Bangla erupted, this is where it came out of. [01:55:35] Speaker A: Well, my wife, she's doing this project we keep going on. She's doing this project and I'll send you the website. It's called the UK Pangram Museum. Right? UK Bangladesh Museum. So what she's done, we've been the other side. This is my missing my podcast. The other side. What we do is she's got a website called the UK Tenjaniya. See Ekmaya. I do the interviews for her. He does the graphics and the website design and stuff and my wife organizes it. Also what we're doing is collating interviews of like the best art legend, legend producer. We've got his, all his interviews, life story, how he did what and how he did that. We've got Doctor Zeus Sukshindra Sindha. If you Google UK Bangladesh Museum, we've got Sukshindra Sindha. Recently, Hannah Sukshin Deshinda party. Amazing. [01:56:30] Speaker C: What do you mean by that? [01:56:31] Speaker A: Like, so it basically it's, it's an online museum. Pika. So when you go, is it like. [01:56:39] Speaker C: Wikipedia where it's got all the information? [01:56:41] Speaker A: It's got index. [01:56:42] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. So after you, when I, when I was back in college, I did one that says you have to pick, you know, pick somebody. And I picked Doctor zoo. So I went and I went all the way back to, you know, where he started and like, you know, so I kind of get it. [01:56:57] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. There's gonna be a timeline. [01:57:00] Speaker C: That'll be interesting. [01:57:01] Speaker A: Yeah, there's gonna be a timeline on the timeline. You'll have like UK Bang started here. This person that Bajangi group started, you know, the legends and we've got him as international. Yeah. So we'll have all those then. You have an index at the top. You go to the index and you go to b. And you got Bangarji. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So, so because we're trying to present reason why my one, my wife wanted to do that, because I have my daughter, she's a year and a half, she's gonna be two in June. This is our heritage. Because there's one little thing I didn't tell you earlier. You know when you said Pathandra, Suki chan is my saga, my mason is my first cousin. Yeah. [01:58:16] Speaker B: And I'm not the same. I didn't know that he was his relative. Um, but I worked with him and he. [01:58:22] Speaker A: Legend, legend. I'm trying to get, I'm trying to get him on the podcast. To be fair, if you can get. [01:58:26] Speaker B: Him, that'd be amazing. [01:58:28] Speaker A: It's not his thing. Yeah, it's not his thing. [01:58:31] Speaker B: Nah, bro. I don't bro. You know, but I'll tell you one thing though. In na chinga banda, in a soft, deliberate, in a pure banda, there's no ego, no nothing. But you know, he does his thing. Such a nice suki chandra. We have an annual meeting. There's four of us, the three of us. Me, Suki Chandrapadi, Sadhgura, Jaga Sadhguru. Once a year we get together, we go out for a meal and drink and stuff like that. It's not music related. Yeah, but now, dude, do it. Send us the link. Guys, if you're listening to this on the podcast, you know, check out the. What's the museum called? [01:59:23] Speaker A: UK ponguseum.com. But it's. It's, it's the. The site's actually in development. So when you go to the page, you'll just say. You'll see. It'll just what they say. It'll say in development only. Just. Oh, yeah, UK. The UK. Pongada Museum. Isn't it the UK? Are they. He's gonna come here. Are they? Okay, can you see. [02:00:01] Speaker B: Link of age dealer? [02:00:04] Speaker A: Yeah, it's on here. [02:00:05] Speaker B: That sounds really interesting. Yeah, there's a lot of people that. [02:00:09] Speaker C: You know, there's a lot of singers from back in the day that, you know, I don't know about you next to do. [02:00:18] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah, we're on the verge. [02:00:22] Speaker B: You know, these guys. [02:00:24] Speaker A: The problem we've got. I see ten, Johnny. That's. That's the problem we've got. There's only we can do. Take a step at a step, step time at time. You know, we're going to do as much as we can, but we've got this massive list which we're going through at the moment. And. And I think some people didn't realize how serious we were when we were doing it. [02:00:44] Speaker B: Very familiar. [02:00:45] Speaker A: Yeah. And then, so now, only now, once we got. Once we've got, like, massive artists, that. That was one of the biggest ones, you know, once. Once you got him on there, then you had a few others. Uh, Tubbs is going to be on this soon, and you got a few of those, like mass addiction. That was my podcast. That was. [02:01:07] Speaker B: Oh, was it? Okay. [02:01:08] Speaker A: That was my pod. That was this podcast because that was. You listen to that. He talks about his master class musician, honestly. Master class musician. [02:01:28] Speaker B: Music. [02:01:29] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it's cloud big man. [02:01:33] Speaker B: Yeah, but now, dude, this is amazing. You know, guys, if you listen to it, go and check all of this stuff out. Main computer, Danny. Hang on. [02:01:43] Speaker A: That's your job, Sammy. You got to get him doing his reels and tick tocks. I made a promise to myself a few years back. I'm going to post every single day. No matter if it's every day. I do a post every single day. [02:01:58] Speaker B: Every single day. [02:02:01] Speaker A: Could these days, as a musician, you've got a post each day. If your social media profile is not going consistent, you people forget. Yeah. Do once a week, whatever's working for you. But I know for me, I thought, I've got to do, I've got to get, keep consistent in my music. So each, each of my, might be a good job done. [02:02:24] Speaker C: As long as you're consistent, it's fine. Yeah, but what's working for us at the minute is once a week do it. And that's just where, because, you know, when it gets like to two or. [02:02:35] Speaker B: Three posts, can you see this blank. [02:02:36] Speaker C: Expression when you get two or three posts? Like, say if we're doing two or three posts a week or if I've uploaded, I've done it once before where I've uploaded a video every day and then I'm getting a like from here, I'm coming from here and it gets so messy and especially when you're just looking at it by yourself. And then I'm on my account, then I'm on the suddenly Jody account, then I'm going through his account. [02:02:59] Speaker A: You know what, Joe Rogan, it's a full time job. Have you heard of Joe Rogan? Have you heard of Joe Rogan? Joe Rogan, Rogan, Nay, Rogan. Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan. He's a famous podcast that the world's, he's got the biggest podcast in the world. He, Spotify, paid him $20 million to sign up with him. That's how big he's what he does. Like, we're talking about comments and stuff. He goes, I post, leave it. I don't read no comments. I don't do anything. These are why he does that. Because the man of hate they get, you need, you know, we'll be talking about social media. That's what he does. Post, leave it. Don't worry about the comments. Don't bother about anything. Because it started to get to his mental health. That's how bad it got. [02:03:55] Speaker C: I get that. I get that it can start to get to your mental health. But we haven't had that many bad comments. [02:04:00] Speaker A: That's good. Yeah, it's good. [02:04:02] Speaker C: So it's not getting to our mental health, but it's getting to. And this is what you're trying to like, you know. [02:04:09] Speaker B: Absolutely. [02:04:10] Speaker A: Plus, plus, could you start, when I. [02:04:12] Speaker C: Used to, when I, when I used to message a singer that I liked and I thought that they were amazing and, you know, if I liked, if I like, should I message you? Have I ever messaged you? [02:04:25] Speaker B: That's why I thought, oh. [02:04:29] Speaker C: If I messaged the singer that I thought that there was a nice song and I would message him and I would say, say, oh, you know, I really like your music. If they commented back, you know, that would make me so happy. [02:04:38] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Especially when you're starting off, it's very important to comment stuff. [02:04:44] Speaker C: It's not about that. If I could, I would comment to everybody. I would comment back to everyone. But when you're stuck in the position where you. There's so much going on, it's not easy, but then the least you could do is at least learn. Now, for example, there's been people out there that says, oh, I can write lyrics. Please, can you give us your contact number? We've got to reply to them. We're not going to ignore them, you. [02:05:21] Speaker A: Know, more wife. [02:05:25] Speaker B: Is it because timing. [02:05:30] Speaker C: So I try to try my best to just get back to everybody and that's why it gets a bit too. [02:05:34] Speaker A: Much if you're doing so, you're managing the band as well, aren't you? Really? Yeah. Your social media manager is a full time job. More. My wife does all that for me. She gets on my bookings and stuff. She manages me more after, so she gets to my bookings and stuff. Last year, we were in 12 million. Not because I'm good, because my wife's good. That's the truth. We were the only artist. Twelve Uk melee last. Last year. That's because my wife, she networked and done the. Well, you guys know how hard it is. [02:06:07] Speaker B: You know, when I meet people, I'm. [02:06:09] Speaker C: Very much like, where did you see it? Where did you see one of our videos? Did you see it on his page? [02:06:14] Speaker A: I saw it on my TikTok feed. TikTok recommended. TikTok's the way forward. [02:06:23] Speaker C: TikTok is the way. [02:06:24] Speaker A: I've been saying, yeah, TikTok's the way. Instagram, BP, Chiraga. TikTok's the way, yeah, TikTok. TikTok's algorithm, their formula, basically, they know how to get which videos to which people, whatever mathematics, whatever Jadhul Pruna they're doing with that. And it's. It works. So your video got to me because I know I will like your video. That's my kind of music and I'm not. [02:06:59] Speaker B: My. But when it comes to this technology, and I'm not putting this on. [02:07:09] Speaker A: No, no. [02:07:10] Speaker B: I ain't got a clue about it. And I'm not not replying to people because I'm big head in. It's just because I really don't know what to say and he doesn't know. [02:07:19] Speaker C: I don't think he knows how to use TikTok anyway. I've tried to make him, I've tried to show him what to do, but I just give up and I'll just say, okay, just do this and copy and paste this and put it there and then that's it. That's your. [02:07:34] Speaker B: WhatsApp. [02:07:36] Speaker A: WhatsApp. What's up, my poor India? My old WhatsApp. I'm going to close it now, guys. It's been 2 hours. Thank you so much, guys. Bless you. And keep me updated with all your music. I'm already following you on TikTok anyway, so keep me updated and I'll keep sharing your stuff as well, guys, because you guys are fantastic. [02:08:04] Speaker B: Thank you so much and thank you for having us. You know, it's been a pleasure. It didn't feel like an interview. Just like. [02:08:13] Speaker A: You got to come to the house, as I said. I mean it, guys, come to the house. And you got my number whenever you insert, if you ever inserted, if you have inserted, just, just come down. Actually, they've opened a certain sweet center now here in May, agree next week in its opening. You know, Nidjer in West Bromwich. Yeah, they've opened it. Oh, certain, yeah, yeah. It's called certain sweet centers. So they do like masala chips and, you know, like torka beans, breakfast, you know, it's like a link between some chiari shop as well for the Gora here as. I don't know. [02:08:54] Speaker B: Yeah, but we're here in West bank. Come in and speak to Ray in it and he'll get in touch with Jinder sahib and then. [02:09:05] Speaker A: Absolutely hundred percent, guys. God bless you guys. God bless you. Thank you so much, guys, and hopefully we catch up soon. All right, bless you. Take care. Take care, bye.